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                        <title>Time-Price-Research and Georg Mayer</title>
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                        <description><![CDATA[This is not strictly Gann but does include some Gann.
Time-Price-Research Archive: Summary of Georg Mayer&#039;s Contributions
Based on a full read-through of Georg Mayer&#039;s messages in the Time...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1 align="left"><strong><span style="font-size: 14pt">This is not strictly Gann but does include some Gann.</span></strong></h1>
<h1 class="western" align="left"><span style="color: #000000;font-size: 18pt"><span style="font-family: Courier"><u>Time-Price-Research Archive: Summary of Georg Mayer's Contributions</u></span></span></h1>
<p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: Courier"><u>Based on a full read-through of Georg Mayer's messages in the Time-Price-Research archive (119 unique posts after removing his routine cross-posting across the five mirrored sub-groups I–V, spanning August 2004 to February 2006).</u></span></span></p>
<h2><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: Courier"><span style="font-size: medium"><u>Georg's role in the group</u></span></span></span></h2>
<p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: Courier"><u>Georg founded and effectively ran Time-Price-Research as five parallel Yahoo Groups (I through V), simultaneously cross-posting most content to all five — likely a workaround for Yahoo's old membership-size limits rather than a topic-based split, since the same posts appear identically across all five groups rather than being sorted by subject. By November 2004 the combined membership was around 470 people, though he notes only a small fraction were actively participating, and he periodically culled inactive "no e-mail" members to keep the list meaningful.</u></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: Courier"><u>His own posting style was less "trader broadcasting picks" and more "research librarian actively curating the field" — he spent enormous effort uploading and sharing primary-source articles (often decades old and otherwise hard to find), alongside his own real-time market-timing forecasts using time/price/astro methods.</u></span></span></p>
<h2><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: Courier"><span style="font-size: medium"><u>What he shared and taught</u></span></span></span></h2>
<p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: Courier"><u><strong>Historical cycle-research articles.</strong> He repeatedly tracked down and redistributed original papers by Edward Dewey (seven separate Dewey papers alone, including "Harmonics of Orbital Periods of Outer Planets" and "Stock Prices &amp; Space"), Theodor Landscheidt (seven papers, including his climate/solar-activity work), and Charles Collins' "Sunspots &amp; Stock Market." Notably, in a June 2005 message to Ray directly, he mentions Landscheidt had died "last year" (i.e. 2004) — independently confirming the 2004 death date found elsewhere for this project.</u></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: Courier"><u><strong>Gann and pre-Gann methodology.</strong> He posted a detailed "Life &amp; Times of W.D. Gann" biographical piece (the well-known claim of turning trades into $50 million over 53 years, the 1909 Ticker magazine-verified 25-day trading demonstration). More substantively, he was skeptical of treating Gann's "Mass Pressure Chart" as original — he traced its real origin to Prof. Weston's 1921 booklet, predating Gann's promotion of the method by 30+ years, and described the Mass Pressure approach precisely: a composite of DJIA closing values from 10, 20, 30, 60, and 80 years prior, theorized to correlate with the Jupiter-Saturn synodic cycle.</u></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: Courier"><u><strong>His own forecasting method in action.</strong> His clearest documented real-time call: on 4 October 2004, he predicted a DJIA turn based on a technique he attributed partly to Christopher Carolan — the square root of the 29th Fibonacci number, multiplied by lunar months, giving a gap of 21,176.31 days between the 1946 and 2004 chart patterns ("1946 vers. 2004"), forecasting a turn "tomorrow." He used a mix of tools like this alongside straightforward technical indicators — in one message he explicitly cross-checks his astro-cycle model against the Put-Call ratio and Elliott Wave counts, cautioning that "watching the stars" should never replace ordinary technical analysis.</u></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: Courier"><u><strong>Astronomical/astrological timing tools.</strong> Extensive material on planetary aspects and their claimed market relevance: geocentric planetary angle tracking (e.g. Mercury-Venus angular distance cycles correlating with intermediate market peaks/troughs), "aspect prioritization" debates with other members about which planetary aspects matter most (slower/outer planets weighted as more significant), the 4-year US Presidential cycle, and general ephemeris/astronomical software recommendations (Swiss Ephemeris, Alcyone Ephemeris).</u></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: Courier"><u><strong>Wider cyclical/astro-market literature.</strong> He introduced the group to Steve Puetz's "Puetz windows" research — the finding that historical market crashes cluster in a 6-day-before-to-3-day-after window around a full moon that itself falls within six weeks of a solar eclipse, calculated by Puetz as roughly a 1-in-127,000 coincidence across the 8 crashes studied. He also shared M.A. Vukcevic's paper on Jupiter-Saturn "synchronising" planetary resonance effects, and material from Peter Eliades, Christopher Carolan, and others.</u></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: Courier"><u><strong>Practical trading tools.</strong> Metastock formulas for pivot-point price indicators (standard floor-trader pivot/support/resistance calculations), Excel spreadsheet templates for ephemeris/astro calculations, and links to freeware solar-data plotting utilities.</u></span></span></p>
<h2><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: Courier"><span style="font-size: medium"><u>His direct connection to Ray/CRI</u></span></span></span></h2>
<p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: Courier"><u>Two points of direct correspondence stand out:</u></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: Courier"><u><strong>October 2004:</strong> Georg announced that Ray Tomes had joined Time-Price-Research-IV and uploaded two of Ray's Harmonics Theory documents to the group's file section, introducing the theory to the group as standing in the tradition of "Pythagoras, Ptolemy, Copernicus, Tycho, Kepler, Newton, Maxwell, Kondratieff, Chizhevski, Dewey and Wheeler." </u></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: Courier"><u><strong>June 2005:</strong> Georg wrote directly to Ray thanking him for his presentation of Dewey's articles on the (then-new) Cycles Research Institute site, and reciprocated by sending Ray a further batch of scanned Dewey and Landscheidt papers — a genuine two-way exchange of primary source material between the two of them. </u></span></span></p>
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<h2><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: Courier"><span style="font-size: medium"><u>Overall assessment</u></span></span></span></h2>
<p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: Courier"><u>Across roughly 18 months of archived activity, Georg comes across as knowledgeable across a wide span of the time/price-cycles tradition — genuinely well-read in the primary historical literature (Dewey, Landscheidt, Weston, Collins) rather than just repeating secondhand Gann lore, while also actively practicing and testing his own real-time astro-timing forecasts against the market and being willing to cross-check them against conventional technical analysis. His instinct to trace claimed-Gann methods back to their actual (often earlier, less-credited) originators fits well with the kind of rigor your own predictions-and-explanations work has been aiming for.</u></span></span></p>
<p align="left"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: Courier"><u><span style="font-size: medium">Some details lof Georg’s technique<br /><br /></span>It's really a coherent <strong>multi-method confluence framework</strong>, not a single technique. Here's how it fits together:</u></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: Courier"><u><strong>The core idea: stack independent timing methods and watch where they cluster.</strong> His clearest single post laying this out (22 October 2004, "Possible CITs" — his term for "Change In Trend") lists six <em>independent</em> astro/cycle methods and the specific dates each one flags for the coming days: Bradley/Astro-Indicator (Oct 26), the 1946-vs-2004 pattern repeat (Oct 22 &amp; 28), the Decennial Pattern (Oct 18 &amp; 25), a Venus-Galactic Center aspect (Oct 26), the Gann Mass Pressure Chart (Oct 26), and his "Solunar Model" (several dates). The teaching point is that when several unrelated methods converge on roughly the same date (here, late October), that's treated as a stronger signal than any one method alone — the same logic your own harmonic-ratio convergence testing uses, just applied to market timing instead of geological cycles.</u></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: Courier"><u><strong>The individual methods themselves:</strong></u></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: Courier"><u><strong>The Bradley Siderograph</strong> — a composite index built from planetary aspects, named after Donald Bradley (who wrote under the pen name "Garth Allen"). Georg tracked both geocentric and heliocentric versions, plus a related tool by Larry Berg called the "Astro-Indicator." </u></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: Courier"><u><strong>The Galactic Center technique</strong> — watching when planets form aspects (particularly 4th-harmonic/90° relationships) to the galactic center's position in the zodiac. Georg traced this idea back to Lt. Cmdr. David Williams in the 1950s and Landscheidt himself in the 1980s — so this wasn't fringe invention, it had a real research lineage he was careful to credit. </u></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: Courier"><u><strong>Fibonacci "phi turn dates"</strong> — counting trading days (not calendar days) between known market turning points, and forecasting future turns where the day-count hits a 0.618 or 0.382 ratio of an existing interval. His worked example: Nov 17, 2004 was flagged because it sat in a precise 0.618/0.382 relationship to the trading-day count from Jan 2000 through a Jan 2003 top. </u></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: Courier"><u><strong>The Decennial Pattern / Gann's "Mass Pressure Chart"</strong> — as covered before, a composite of prices from 10/20/30/60/80 years prior, theorized to track the ~10-year Jupiter-Saturn synodic rhythm. </u></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: Courier"><u><strong>The "Solunar Model"</strong> — tied to Puetz's eclipse/full-moon crash-window research: markets showing sensitivity to full/new moon timing, especially when reinforced by nearby eclipses. </u></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: Courier"><u><strong>Sidereal astrology background</strong> — he also shared foundational material on Cyril Fagan and Donald Bradley's "siderealist" tradition (using fixed stars like Aldebaran and Spica to anchor the zodiac, rather than the tropical/seasonal zodiac most astrology uses) — the underlying framework a lot of his aspect-based methods were built on. </u></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: Courier"><u><strong>Aspect prioritization</strong> — an open methodological question he discussed with other members: which planetary aspects matter most. The working rule he cites is that slower-moving, outer planets carry more weight than fast inner ones, and that lower-harmonic aspects (conjunctions, oppositions) matter more than higher ones. </u></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: Courier"><u>So the throughline of what he was really teaching wasn't any single indicator — it was a <strong>methodology of triangulating multiple independently-derived cycle/timing tools and treating their agreement as the signal</strong>, while explicitly warning members not to trust astro-cycles alone without cross-checking against ordinary technical analysis. That's a genuinely disciplined approach, whatever one thinks of the individual inputs — and arguably a good match for CRI's own multi-method ethos.</u></span></span></p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <description><![CDATA[William Delbert Gann (1878–1955) was one of the most famous and controversial traders in market history, reportedly turning small stakes into large fortunes using methods built around the id...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal" dir="auto" data-sourcepos="45:1-45:1264;8557-9820"><strong>William Delbert Gann (1878–1955)</strong> was one of the most famous and controversial traders in market history, reportedly turning small stakes into large fortunes using methods built around the idea that time, not just price, drives market turning points. Born in Lufkin, Texas, Gann opened his own brokerage in New York in 1908 and developed trading tools — the Square of Nine, Gann angles, the "Law of Vibration" — that combined geometry, historical time-cycle counting (10, 20, 30, 49-50, 90, and 100-year cycles among others), and, controversially, astrology and numerology. His central claim was that markets are not random but repeat according to specific, countable time intervals measured forward from major highs and lows, and that price and time reach "balance" at predictable points ("squaring price and time"). Gann's methods were notoriously difficult to apply and much of his true methodology arguably died with him, but his influence on time-based market analysis is still felt today, and his work directly inspired J.M. Hurst (see that forum). For this forum, Gann is significant less for any specific verified cycle length and more as an early, insistent voice for the idea that markets — like everything else — move in structured, measurable time.</p>
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